Did Eles just become good in HM? - Page 2 - Guild Wars Forums

Quaker · Mar 03, 2011, 07:33 PM // 19:33

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Originally Posted by LifeInfusion

It's not *my* opinion. It's more or less a consensus that eles can't do damage in hard mode and that with the Mesmer buffs Rangers got shafted. The only caveat is Rangers are ranged SY! spammers if going R/W.

More hogwash and BS. You're saying that Rangers are now "marginal" because Mesmers got buffed. But, Rangers haven't changed - if they weren't marginal before, they're not marginal now that Mesmers were buffed.

I think you are being confused by thinking that "marginal" is a purely relative term. "Marginal" is relative to the task at hand, but not relative to other methods. As an example, if your job is to lift a 5lb weight and you do it just fine, you are not "marginalized" by the fact that someone else can lift 400lb, or lift 5lb "faster" - you're both perfectly adequate at the task. If, however, you are so weak that you can barely lift 5lb, you could be considered marginal.

My Ranger has Legendary Vanquisher, which was gotten using (mostly*) H/H and no gimmicks such as Ursan Blessing. So, I would hardly consider a Ranger to be "marginal" at doing HM.

(*there was a couple of areas where I had a guildie (also a Ranger, btw) help me - so it was 2 humans and 6 Heroes.)

FoxBat · Mar 03, 2011, 08:35 PM // 20:35

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Originally Posted by Quaker

I think you are being confused by thinking that "marginal" is a purely relative term. "Marginal" is relative to the task at hand, but not relative to other methods.

You could use it this way, but most people mean "marginal" as a relative comparison of classes. You become marginalized relative to the other class options, in the sense that you get passed over in favor of another class choice. The term for determining whether your character can pass the challenge irrespective of other characters is "viable."

Quaker · Mar 04, 2011, 04:10 PM // 16:10

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Originally Posted by FoxBat

You become marginalized relative to the other class options, in the sense that you get passed over in favor of another class choice.

Ah yes, since I H/H most of the time (or just H nowadays), I neglected to consider the Party Nazis. But even then, Rangers and Eles only become marginalized to the Nazis, not to the rest of us.